Epic Reunion!

15 Nov

Oh wait there wasn’t one. HKN and her granny groupies were all excited to see Rob and Snow Ho in the same room, however Rob never sat in the audience, he presented the award and hightailed it out of there like he would catch the plague or something. Meanwhile Plank left the room while he presented. She probably did that because she didn’t want the cameras on her emotionless face while he presented.

But according to HKN, AKA Hag Knows Nothing, Rob and Plank had a quickie backstage because he supposedly had make up on his croutch and she had a nip slip because Rob could not help himself. THERE ARE CAMERAS BACKSTAGE you fucking moron, and Rob wouldn’t cheat like his Ho ex did. Stop with the lies and your made up fantasies because your life is so incomplete. Edward and Bella do not exist, it is time to put on your big girl granny pants and throw away the dolls and get laid.

I won’t talk about the haircut, I got nothing. But Rob is clearly happy with Tahiah and his life and sheep need to move the fuck on!


149 Responses to “Epic Reunion!”

  1. lisa2222 November 15, 2014 at 10:30 am #

    New board!!!

  2. Thatgirl November 15, 2014 at 12:30 pm #

    Nip slip due to quickie? Listen with that many ppl & cameras there’s NO way they’d take a chance for a quckie. But let’s say it’s true….wasn’t that good since he left mid show….😝

    • lisa2222 November 15, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

      They avoided each other like the plague LOL

  3. Missy November 15, 2014 at 12:55 pm #

    Another epic post Lisa. These crazies need to get help. IA if there was an epic reunion it would have been photographed. Do these morons not see that all any reunion/Robsten media stories bring attention back to the cheating which doesn’t reflect well on their queen? It seems to me she’s trying very hard to move past that and repair her image. Not that I care but you’d think her fans would. SMH. As for Robs hair, it grows. He seems so much more happy and relaxed than he has in a very, very long time. As a fan that makes me happy. Also his face distracts me from what he’s wearing on his head anyways ☺️

    • lisa2222 November 15, 2014 at 2:06 pm #

      Great post Missy!

  4. Jaguar November 15, 2014 at 2:53 pm #

    We know Rob skipped the red carpet, no pics, and none at the afterparty, either. Not a single tweet about anyone seeing him mingling anywhere.

    E! is reporting that Rob was never in the audience & didn’t hang around, proving HKN is a liar:

    Now You See Me, Now You Don’t: Most of the big stars didn’t take their seats in the audience during the ceremony. Angelina Jolie, Robert Pattinson, Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Lopez, Robert Downey Jr. and yes, Mr. Depp simply came to the show, walked on stage, said their spiel and went home.

    I think at this point, Rob would rather be shot than be photographed or linked to Little Miss Nipplegate. She’s bad news and he finally figured it out.

    • lisa2222 November 15, 2014 at 3:12 pm #

      Miss nipplegate OMG BAHAHA!!! but so true.

      • Jaguar November 15, 2014 at 4:15 pm #

        Sony totally arranged for Nips to present to Julianne because they’re desperate for the film to get more than just one nomination.

        Julianne feels sorry for Nips, who she’s known from childhood. But did you notice the deafening silence in the audience when she made her remarks about how good KS was?

        No applause, no murmurs of agreement, no nothing. They weren’t having it. She is not well liked within the industry. You saw no one coming to her defense after she was exposed as a homewrecker. It even took months for Jodie Foster to write that essay in the HuffPo, and it was more about how child actors are treated than it was a defense of the cheater.

        And this is why she won’t get an Oscar nomination. Those are made by her fellow actors, and they don’t love her. You need to have some degree of popularity in the Academy to get a nomination. She has pissed all over her fellow actors in interview after interview, insulting their abilities and range (it disgusts her to see someone cry on cue, pulling from their little “tool kit” of abilities).

        They never forget an insult. Ever. All actors can recite their bad reviews. And you can bet they all remember her arrogant insults, too. She’s her own worst enemy, she always has been.

      • Missy November 15, 2014 at 4:24 pm #

        I didn’t watch the event so never saw the deafening silence. After the OTR push and now this her peers have to be shaking their head somewhat. I’ve never heard of an actor being so praised by their costar’s all the time. I also don’t get what she and her team think will happen if she gets a nomination or, God forbid, wins? It’s clear that she is not liked by the general public. Do they think that winning will change that? So it seems to me it’s more a vanity thing. I don’t really know how these things work and I could care less if she gets nominated or not so I’m not going to worry about it but I’m curious about Miss Nips motivation.

      • ! November 15, 2014 at 4:42 pm #


        Her fame is gone. At this point she’s a has been. This futile attempt is something her team is aiming for to try and regain the attention she once had. But without actual talent to back it up it will likely fail. She spent all her time in the spotlight complaining about her fame and how she didn’t want it. Congratulations, now nobody cares and she wants that fame back…. How does that saying go? You never know what you have ’til it’s gone…

      • Name November 16, 2014 at 7:03 am #

        @Jaguar: Where did you hear Moore got her the role? Wash Westmoreland said Kristen’s agents reached out to them (and asked if they would be interested in her for the role). He said they’ve been fans since ‘Panic Room’ and wanted to meet her right away.

        Maybe Moore had to agree with the choice or she even put in a good word for her after the meeting (I haven’t read that, though). But I don’t believe that should be considered “getting her the role” just like I don’t believe Kristen got Robert his role in ‘Twilight’ just because she said she liked his audition…

        Moore suggested Baldwin and called him/asked him, so maybe you mixed that up? Or the director(s) said something different in another interview?!

        And about the silence after the praise: Some people laughed after Moore said she’s still as special as she was when she was twelve, but they did clap (just not as long as for Moore herself) when Moore praised her ‘incredible compassionate performance’.

      • Name November 16, 2014 at 7:12 am #

        @Missy: The Oscar can be a huge deal and put your career into overdrive. It can mean more money, better roles offered to you and an overall better (more serious, critically praised) image. You become part of a club and if you play it right, you can always stay part of it. Of course, this doesn’t work for everyone. But Kristen fits the bill of those who gain a lot from a nom (she’s young (but not too young), white (this seems to be very important, sadly), already a name (but not too established) etc). But yes, it’s probably also a vanity thing for almost (?) everyone who campaigns.

        Of course they are always Oscar wins (‘Crash“) and Oscar nominations (‘Extremely loud and…’) that get ridiculed and fought over in and outside of the industry. But you get to put “Oscar nominee” in front of your name and that can influence the public’s perception of you. Besides, Kristen’s reviews are good enough to warrant a nomination (but in no way a win), so I don’t think people inside the industry would fight over a nomination (too much). Especially since there are no five other actresses who are considered undeniable. Personally, I still don’t think she will be nominated, though. It really depends on how much people like the movie overall.

        Of course, some great actors/directors/movies/etc. never get nominated and do more than fine. And the nominated people are rarely the top five in their field, but that doesn’t take away from the power of a nomination.

      • Name November 16, 2014 at 7:38 am #

        @!: I can understand how it looks like Kristen is no longer on top because ‘Camp X-Ray’ lost money and a part of the public seems to completely ignore her or dislike her. But she’s getting career best reviews for ’Clouds“ and even ’Still Alice’ (on a smaller scale).

        A lot of critics wrote about how they’ve never (or not since before ‘Twilight’) been impressed with her and how they are now/how she turned around her image this year. She’s also never been in talk of getting any award the public can’t vote for, and now she is.

        The Academy will definitely watch ‘Still Alice’ because of Julianne and look at how much Kristen gained the last time that happened. People still talk about how they cast her because of/loved her in ‘Into the Wild’ which – to my memory – is her last (and only) ‘Oscar’ movie. Of course if they all hate her in the movie, she’ll gain nothing.

        So, I guess it depends on how you define being a ‘has been’. If you only talk about box office, sure. Although I’d argue Kristen never even was successful with her indies, not even during ‘Twilight’. Of course she also has no projects coming up (only the rumored ‘Seasons of Dust’) but she has three movies coming out next year, so it’s not like we will be getting a break from her (movies). So, unless her break (or ‘break’, if you don’t want to believe it) lasts for the next two years, I think it’s way too early to call her a ‘has been’.

      • Marin November 16, 2014 at 8:01 am #

        @Name I don’t know about Moore getting K the role for Still Alice, but her husband directed the movie ‘Catch that Kid’ which Kristen was in, so at least they have known each other for a while.

        From what I’ve read, there doesn’t seem to be many outstanding performances in the supporting actress category, so Kristen may possibly have a chance at a nomination. What I don’t understand is, there is a select group of critics that always praise her performances in every movie she is in, so I find it hard to believe that this time it’s any different. I haven’t seen any of her movies post-twilight, but from the clips I’ve come across all I see are the same expressions, tics, movements, etc. she does from every other movie. I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how she does in her new movies to know if she really does give an impressive performance, or it’s just the critics praising her as always for sub-par acting.

      • Name November 16, 2014 at 8:49 am #

        @Marin: Yeah, some critics always liked her, but she also got a lot of negative reviews, especially once she grew up. A lot of recent reviews start with “I was never impressed with Stewart but..” which is, of course, not the greatest compliment but indicates an improvement.

        From what I gathered (and I haven’t seen ‘Still Alice’) she’s not really doing anything different nowadays. BUT this time, it actually fits her role. I just read the ‘Still Alice’ review from Awards Circuit and Davis puts it this way: ““Clouds and Sils Maria” and “Camp X-Ray” are terrific examples of her talents put to great use“ and “ Glatzer and Westermoreland understand her abilities and limitations but heighten them to stunning results“. He doesn’t think she will be nominated, though.

        So, it doesn’t sound like she’s doing anything completely different. She’s in no way a chameleon and I don’t think she ever will be. She will never reach the heights of Chastain or Streep (in my opinion). So, if you’re looking for that, Kristen will never be able to impress you. That is not meant as a critic, I totally get not liking/being frustrated with actors like Kristen.

      • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:07 pm #


    • Missy November 15, 2014 at 4:15 pm #

      I like seeing Rob’s name in lists like that.

      • Jaguar November 15, 2014 at 5:46 pm #

        I like seeing Rob’s name with “the big stars,” too. That’s where he belongs.

        As for Nip’s lame attempt at getting an Oscar nomination, her brain trust sees this as a way to legitimize her existence. She has no relevance at all, she’s not well-liked, no studio will hire her, directors like Scorsese, Spielberg, Nolan, they all ignore her. You don’t even hear any buzz about her being up for roles, the way you do about Shailene Woodley or JenLaw.

        She’s got no films lined up, she’s not getting offers. She called in favors to get the parts she’s had in the past year. Gillibert, the guy who produced On The Road got her the part in Sils Maria, which he also produced (and got Chanel to partially fund). The guy who produced WTTR also produced Equals, which is how she got that role.

        Julianne got her the part in Still Alice. She’s called in all the favors she can, the well’s run dry now, which is why she’s unemployed. Her PR team thinks an Oscar nomination will send a signal that her cheating scandal is forgotten and she’s a “star” again. It ain’t happening.

        Universal sent a signal when they dumped her from her own franchise. They’re making SWATH2 without her. That was a huge slap in the face, no matter how they try to spin it. She looks ridiculous, with her OTR2 pathetic Oscar attempt. She isn’t fooling her peers, they know what’s up.

      • Missy November 15, 2014 at 6:01 pm #

        Thanks ! and Jaguar. So this is about her remaining relevant and famous. Now I understand why she’s announced that “she’s taking. Break from acting” and her announcing that is to make it look like it was her decision to do so. I also didn’t know that JM got her the role in Still Alice. Interesting.

      • Josie November 16, 2014 at 9:01 am #

        How come no one mentions Rob winning the Cliffies award for best actor for the Rover?

      • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:08 pm #


  5. ! November 15, 2014 at 4:20 pm #

    Robert’s haircut…… it looks like a landing strip in a vagina. Should we change his name now to Robert Vaginson? Because that’s what it looked like. Kristen’s nip slip…..there’s nothing to see. Really, she has no boobs, more like mosquito bites. These two have certainly given me something to laugh about, lol. They are entertainers after all, they did their job Kudos!!!

    • Jaguar November 15, 2014 at 6:15 pm #

      I can’t get worked up over his hair. It will grow back in 3 weeks, his hair grows like crazy. I can only imagine what people would say if he had a mohawk or had shaved it completely.

      He’s not working at the moment, he can do what he wants. And I think he has a well-shaped head. It could be so much worse, lol.

      D Listed loved the nip slip:

      • ! November 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

        Good for you! But let’s be clear, i’m not worked up over the hair. I’m VERY amused by it! 😀

      • ! November 16, 2014 at 2:53 am #

        Did you read the article? I don’t think that calling her nipples mopey constitutes as a compliment. Just sayin’….

    • Missy November 15, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

      I’m the same about the hair. I do the same with my own, not cutting but colouring. I always give it a try knowing it will grow back. Dlisted always making me LOL.

  6. just me November 15, 2014 at 5:56 pm #

    Well Well Lisa – you won’t talk about the hair but I will. Rob what got into you? Did you lost a bet? Have you been drunk or on some badly mixed shit? I don’t get it.
    It makes his head look deformed. There is no statement and as it seems – there was no movie involed for this shit. Damn it – I would eaven prefer the completely shaved head to this fucked up – a five year old played with a shaver- shit.
    I mean I gett that for a movie now and then he has to look fucked up. I get that he wants to get away from the twilight image. But dear lord!
    Your fans don’t talk about twilight anymore. (at least not much) and the press is refering to a lot of other movies from you too. You can’t force everyone. You said it yourself. They will make up what they want. So stop this shit. NO ONE can tell me that he is comfortable with such a fucked up hair cut. NO WAY. This is not artistic nor is it cool. It just looks shitty. Not to mention that it is badly cut/shaved as well.
    We know you don’t want to be seen as the just a pretty face kind of guy. Really we do. But do you need to do this to us and yourself? Is that nessecary? Why not just whait a bit and try to get them with your performances? You did so good with the Rover.
    This is not okay. You deformed yourself with this, Rob.
    As a fan I am dissapointed.

    And to those who want to go for my throat now: I don’t care. I pay for his movies. I pay to read his interviews in magazines. I am allowed to judge his public image and looks. And this looks wrong.

    • ! November 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

      No honey, you’re fine. Celebrities are not above reproach.

      • robsmacked November 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm #

        Yikes! I really like the hair ‘statement’. Makes me think of him as a free spirit/iconoclast, perhaps with a sense of humor? or at least a don’t give a f**k attitude. This sets him apart from the run of the mill HW celeb for me. Of course, it does garner attention/notoriety, which can be good for his career. …”Free your hair and your mind will follow!” IMHO

      • Gemma November 16, 2014 at 6:07 am #

        I love this quote: “Free your hair and your mind will follow” hahha I’ve never heard it! It’s hilarious 🙂

    • Sasha November 16, 2014 at 7:08 am #

      @just me – from the front he looks like he has a dick on his head and from the back side it looks like a Brazilian. I am not a fan of this “new haircut” – but as we have no influence in his life – he´s free to do what he likes. But this does not mean that we all have to gush over how freaky he looks and that it makes him even more adorable, or that this is just how Rob is – a manchild. At the end of the day he could be walking down the Champse Elyssee naked and I would not like it 😉

  7. Bi-hoe November 15, 2014 at 8:36 pm #

    Just to let you all know, I just got confirmation that HKN received a cease and desist letter this past Wednesday. Quite blatantly, she has chosen to ignore the contents of this letter (perhaps she thinks she’s untouchable) She knows the next step will be legal action. Apparently she has 21 days to comply. We shall see.

    This was on tumblr ; this lady has been on a quest to stop HKN and her crap !! Let’s hope it works , what will become if her cult 🙂

    • just me November 15, 2014 at 9:02 pm #

      woa well done robsessed girl! Who ever you are. I hope HKN will get burned badly with this. She fucked with to much people. She should PAY for this!

    • Hope November 15, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

      May I ask you if the cease and desist come from R/K team or from sane fans of theirs. I’m on HKN ass all the time..and I couldn’t get better news. Nest SRWN..this I know for sure. She did something completely illegal on her blog by giving out locations of people who wrote her on an anonymous post. It’s just a matter of time for her.
      Please let me know about HKN

      • Bi-hoe November 15, 2014 at 11:08 pm #

        Hope I thought if you as soon as I read it 🙂 I’ve left many messages there they never get posted lol ; she’s a Rob fan who has been trying to collect information to get HKN to stop ! So something has worked 🙂 as for SRWN she’s just as mental also never posts my questions no surprise there ! I wasn’t aware of what she did thank you & hope she goes soon to !

    • lisa2222 November 15, 2014 at 11:17 pm #

      That would be EPIC!!!

    • MariaM November 16, 2014 at 12:47 am #

      This is f*cking awesome! But, is it a cease & desist letter saying she needs to stop saying Rob and Kris are married with a baby, specifically?

      • Bi-hoe November 16, 2014 at 1:22 am #

        Ladies I will ask and keep you posted 🙂

      • Gemma November 16, 2014 at 6:09 am #

        Bi-hoe, best news you could ever bring over, thanks! though I would miss Lalaland…. 🙂

    • Name November 16, 2014 at 7:01 am #

      But how does she know that? And can you issue a cease and desist letter for something/someone that has no connection to you (=Kristen and Robert). I’m not from the US, but I don’t think you can do so where I’m from. Or is the letter about something/someone else?

      Don’t get me wrong. I never visited the site but I read what you all post on here and while I’m not a lawyer, I can imagine why such a letter could exist. I just don’t get how arobsessedgirl would know unless she hired a lawyer herself/knows the person who did so?! Or don’t you need a lawyer for this in the US? Or are the two women(?) somehow connected and she learned about it from HKN directly?

      This is certainly an intriguing situation, so thanks for bringing the post here!

  8. MariaM November 16, 2014 at 2:44 am #

    from http://www.eonline.com/news/598247/hollywood-film-awards-5-things-you-didn-t-see-on-tv

    “1. Early Bird: Kristen Stewart was one of the first to take her seat inside the theater. At one point she was all by her lonesome at her table before being joined by Wash Westmoreland, the co-writer and co-director of Stewart’s new Oscar-buzzy indie Still Alice.”

    “2. Now You See Me, Now You Don’t: Most of the big stars didn’t take their seats in the audience during the ceremony. Angelina Jolie, Robert Pattinson, Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Lopez, Robert Downey Jr. and yes, Mr. Depp simply came to the show, walked on stage, said their spiel and went home.”

  9. Gemma November 16, 2014 at 6:16 am #

    Ohhh new setback for Robsten fans. They not only didn’t get pics of Robsten epic reunion at HFA, now they’re getting AliceSten pics… 😦 😀

    Stewie is showing off some lesbian styling! Look at that tie, I like it! and Alicia has gone blonde and also is wearing the shirt Kristen wore at Equals’s wrap party in Singapore. Sharing is still caring…


    • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:09 pm #


  10. Marin November 16, 2014 at 8:06 am #

    A24 has listed The Rover in their For Your Consideration list http://a24awards.com/the-rover-consider including Guy for actor in a lead role and Rob in a supporting role. I doubt they will launch a campaign themselves and I don’t think Rob would start one on his own either, but at least they are putting the movie and the performances out there. Hopefully it will bring them more attention, perhaps not a nomination or a win, but more interest in the movie and the performances, which in my opinion where great.

    • Name November 16, 2014 at 8:54 am #

      A24 is small and new (I think their first awards season was 2013/2014), so I don’t think they will launch a campaign either. But they had a lot success at the Independent Spirit Awards last season.

      I hope they get some recognition for ‘A Most Violent Year’ because I love almost everyone involved (Isaac, Chastain, Chandor, Young etc.). Chastain might have a chance at the Oscars…So it seems A24 puts all their power behind that movie.

      From what I understand, they have no screenings scheduled for any of their other movies (including ‘The Rover’) which makes it pretty hard for people to remember them (unless there’s already undeniable buzz). But Jenny Slate has a good chance at the Independent Spirit Awards and there are no screenings for “Obvious Child” either. So, who knows.

      If they want to bring attention to ‘The Rover’ without screenings, they need to sent out screeners (or offer digital ones). I don’t think that has happened yet but that’s not unusual (only a few have been sent out at this moment). But maybe they can’t even afford to do that? It’s a shame that smaller studios have little to no chance to make a splash at the Oscars (and a lot of other awards).

      • Marin November 16, 2014 at 10:58 am #

        I know A24 is small and relatively new, and it would be pretty hard for them to launch a campaign for their movies (one may even be a stretch), but I think the biggest problem here was that they just didn’t know how to promote this particular movie. The Rover is a fall movie and they wrongly chose to release it with little promotion during the summer, it was never going to be able to compete with summer blockbusters, by the time it had a small chance at better numbers it was already gone from theaters.

        According to an article of The Hollywood Reporter from 2011, a studio can spend hundreds of thousands (sometimes even millions) producing and distributing screeners, depending on the amount of members they want to reach from the Academy, SAG, etc. Realistically, I don’t think A24 can move forward with a campaign, at best a regular screening could do but who knows, their best might be their mos successful movie as you mentioned.

      • Name November 16, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

        I can kind of understand the reasoning behind the release date. They probably hoped to capitalize on buzz coming out of Cannes + thought the movie would be a good counterprogram to the blockbusters, because the trailer made it look full of suspense, stylistic but still with some (gun) action. ‘Animal Kingdom’ was released in the summer, too and while it didn’t make much money in the U.S. (even slightly less than ‘The Rover’), it still got Weaver her Oscar nom.

        I think the problem was that people expected so much more from Michôd. And while ‘The Rover’ was very well-reviewed, it didn’t come close to his other movie’s praise. A lot of people seemed to be disappointed by that. And without raves across the board, an a-typical (divisive?) story and bad marketing (?), only a few people showed up when the movie opened. Maybe A24 also hoped for too much, went (too) wide too soon and pulled back too quickly when it didn’t work out. They probably should have kept it small, like ‘Animal Kingdom’. But it did surprise me how little the movie made overall and especially in Australia.

        I’m not sure if it would have made that much more money in the fall where it would have had to compete with more and stronger indies. Maybe it would have done better if it had visited some more film festivals in the U.S. first, we’ll never know.

        IFC send out a digital screener for ‘The Babadook’ and a bunch of smaller documentaries. That seems to be an affordable option for smaller distributors. You just won’t reach those members who don’t know how to use the internet. Which might me a lot.

    • Jaguar November 16, 2014 at 4:49 pm #

      It’s nice that A24 is doing the “For Your Consideration” thing, since everyone involved did an outstanding job. The cinematography, sound, editing, it was all excellent. Nothing sloppy or substandard in the whole film. I don’t think it will get any nominations, but just to be considered at this point is a win.

      A24’s problem is that they misread the signs and opened wide when they should have opened small and platformed. They’re new, and they made a big mistake. In a way, it was understandable.

      The Rover made at least 80 “Most Anticipated” lists, and in some of them it was the #1 most anticipated. Twitter mentions were through the roof. And then it made a stellar debut at Cannes. The audience loved it, and that’s a tough audience. As it turned out, the initial European reviews were better than the ones it got in the US. But on paper, it looked like a solid hit.

      So, based on all that, they thought they had a film that could pack theaters. But they did little advertising. Very few TV spots. They thought the tickets would sell themselves, but the general public had never heard of the film and didn’t even know it was in theaters. It came and went, and audiences went to see 22 Jump Street on opening weekend, a sequel that had a built in audience and tons of advertising and publicity.

      And of course it’s not a comedy, or a happy, easy film. It requires attention, patience, and thought, something summer audiences are not famous for displaying.

  11. Bi-hoe November 16, 2014 at 5:22 pm #

    Ok in regards to HKN i can share what happened but have asked to do so privately ; is there any way to do that Lisa ???

    • Marin November 16, 2014 at 5:52 pm #

      This board is very public, but wordpress lets you create password protected pages/posts which could work, but the password would have to be given to those that ask through email most likely. An alternative would be to pass the info directly on emails, or create a private chat for those that want to know.

    • Gemma November 16, 2014 at 6:03 pm #

      wow as a good gemini I’m intrigued…

      It’s weird HKN’s blog is hardly getting comments these last days and it’s even weirder than Miss HKN hasn’t updated her blog with a delusional entry about RK hotness in HFA backstage…

      Good night all.

    • Missy November 16, 2014 at 6:08 pm #

      Oh I’m intrigued as well.

    • lisa2222 November 16, 2014 at 7:23 pm #

      If you find a way please add me I want to know!!!

      • kell November 16, 2014 at 7:49 pm #

        me too!

  12. Bi-Hoe November 16, 2014 at 6:34 pm #

    Thank you Martin I’m happy to leave an snail address for anyone that’s interested ( I can see the ladies here that might be so no problem) I can also leave my tumblr link so if you want to

  13. Sara November 16, 2014 at 6:36 pm #

    You should read this http://sarasavoy.tumblr.com/post/102811918653/another-prince-party-at-paisley-park

    • lisa2222 November 16, 2014 at 8:37 pm #

      So you are not looking for your 15 minutes of fame but are posting your ridiculous fanfiction everywhere. That is just laughable. And you disrespected BOTH YOUR IDOL AND TWIGS…

    • Jaguar November 16, 2014 at 9:51 pm #

      I missed the memo where dancing in public and talking to someone in public is the same as cheating. They performed until 4 and she was on a plane to Vancouver at 7 with her band. The logistics for cheating don’t even work out.

      The desperation to trash Twigs is insane. Trying to ruin her reputation isn’t going to suddenly redeem Kristen. Everyone know she cheated, lied, and broke up a home with 2 kids in it. Nothing Rob or Tahliah do now is going to change history.

      Kristen is the one known for cheating. She’s said she doesn’t regret her past, and she’s “comfortable with her mistakes.” Too bad her little fans can’t accept the fact that she thinks it’s OK to cheat. But trying to tear down anyone Rob is associated with is never going to win KStew any new fans. Simply isn’t happening.

      • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:06 pm #

        Funny, they have no prob with what k did but try to hang everyone else with her ‘mistake’.

  14. Bi-hoe November 16, 2014 at 6:37 pm #

    Oh gosh posted it and hadn’t finished lol ! As I was saying I can also leave my tumblr link for anyone that wants to message me there ; I just would like to know Lisa is ok with it first 🙂 oh I meant email address not *snails* gosh sorry

    • lisa2222 November 16, 2014 at 7:23 pm #

      Sure you can leave your tumblr link or email no problem at all ;0

  15. lisa2222 November 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm #

    I can’t believe people think Twigs hooked up with Prince because of some fanfiction a diehard fan wrote OMG! And the crazies want it to be true. How sad is that that they want to see Rob hurt again. But guess what, he still won’t want their skanky whore Queen!

    • Bi-hoe November 16, 2014 at 8:18 pm #

      They have really lost the plot 😦

  16. Bi-hoe November 16, 2014 at 8:17 pm #

    Ok here goes ! Lisa I tried to email you but it failed ?? Twice lol ; either email kyls0910@worldpress.com or http://rob-why-not.tumblr.com or http://little-miss-scmshine.tumblr.com every thing will be private and I will not share anyone information . If you have tumblr don’t ask alnon because I can answer privately back 🙂 I will only reply to the ladies here I know .. Cheers 🙂 if the email doesn’t work I don’t use it let me know I will as another 🙂

    • lisa2222 November 16, 2014 at 8:38 pm #

      Sorry Bi_Hoe that email is not mine I have to change it because I don’t know the password for it…

    • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:11 pm #

      Saw what you wrote. Figured others from outside would see too so I buried your comment with smiley faces. Hope that was ok

      • Bi-hoe November 17, 2014 at 3:55 am #

        Thank you lizzy

  17. lisa2222 November 16, 2014 at 9:27 pm #

    Great news for Rob and Guy!

    Larry Richman ‏@larry411 · 8h8 hours ago
    …which is why I said “technically.” Now A24 has officially launched a campaign. So there ya go. 😉 See http://www.lookingformorefilmblog.com/2014/11/16/a24-films-the-rover-pattinson-pearce-now-listed-for-awards-consideration/

    • just me November 16, 2014 at 9:50 pm #


      • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:07 pm #

        So happy for him.

      • Lizzy November 16, 2014 at 10:08 pm #


  18. Gemma November 17, 2014 at 1:35 am #

    Stewie&Alicia (sharing is still caring) and the gang at Madonna Inn in San Luis Obispo for Riley’s bachelorette party.


    • Bi-hoe November 17, 2014 at 3:56 am #

      Oh Gemma maybe Alica is her plus one 🙂

      • Marin November 17, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

        Sheep are saying she is wearing Rob’s shirt he had on a morning show a few years back, what they don’t realize is that the buttons are a different color and Alicia has been pictured before wearing the exact shirt K has.

        Bi-hoe, I sent you an email but I’m not sure if you got it? Let me know 😉

  19. MariaM November 17, 2014 at 4:21 am #

    HKN claims she never got a cease & desist letter. I truly hope all of this is for real and that she really did get the letter.

    Somebody needs to stop HKN from spreading all her crazy lies. HKN or one of her cult members sent that picture of Twigs leaning in talking to the red headed guy to this trashy gossip website and used it as proof that Twigs is cheating on Rob. The website said they got a tip, and then they completely fabricated a story around that tip.

    That was completely done on purpose to make Twigs look bad, HKN and her idiots have gone too far.

    • Gemma November 17, 2014 at 8:26 am #

      Apparently a Prince’s fan wrote some horny narration of Twigs dancing while Prince was performing (Sara posted it above) and HKN & Sheep have gone nuts trying to spread it through internet, of course. Actually HKN’s Tweeter account is full of this BS and retweets from other Sheep. One of them even sent a rude tweet to FKA Twigs’s account… They are trying hard to make trouble.

  20. Hope November 17, 2014 at 7:12 am #

    HKN wrote a TL saying she never received it…well, of course she is going to say that. If it was mailed to her without a signature ( registered or certified mail ) she is going to deny she ever received it. I have dealt with this kind of scum all my life, trying to collect over due money and working as a paralegal. Even if a signature was required, she doesn’t have to sign it.
    She is the scum of the earth..Trust me…

    • just me November 17, 2014 at 10:39 am #

      the question is – would she risk something illegal like that just to keep playing with the sheep? Thats weird.
      But I don’t get her anyway. I just can’t shut my brain down enough for that.
      I didn’t read the fanfic about Twigs. We know it is bullshit and Rob and Twigs know it as well. One stupid tabloid won’t ruin her reputation and I think it might as well bind her and Rob eaven tighter together. They can’t harm her. There is no proof for their lies and they are not enough or smart enough to fabricate anything.
      Just ignore them.

      • Hope November 17, 2014 at 12:50 pm #

        Yea, she would risk it. She is a psychotic liar who is so far gone that she believes in her own lies. Plus, she is a con artist who thinks she can get away with anything. But her clock is ticking..there are just so much excuses and manips you can use.

  21. lisa2222 November 17, 2014 at 1:16 pm #

    So this is what really happened minus the self absorbed fan’s fanfic http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/2014/11/fka_twigs_at_fine_line_music_cafe_and_paisley_park.php?page=2

    • Gemma November 17, 2014 at 3:37 pm #

      Thanks Lisa! How can things change when written by a horny fan or by a profesional.

      • lisa2222 November 17, 2014 at 3:43 pm #

        EXACTLY! And Prince attached the clean version to his twitter!

  22. Gemma November 17, 2014 at 3:50 pm #

    This is a 4 minuts audio of a Twigs Radio interview she gave in NYC for “Sway in the morning”. It’s been published today. There’re 2 interviewers with her and around 2.30 min. one of them asks Twigs who’s been her biggest crush, the other interviewer tells she can’t be asking this now since Twigs is in a relationship with Robert Pattinson!, adding “and I love them together”, Twigs giggles … the interview goes on till around 3.00 min. when she’s asked about her privacy and how is it facing so many papazz all of a sudden…. and I’m not sure if I got her reply right… could someone listen to the interview and write down Twig’s reply please?? 🙂

    • Marin November 17, 2014 at 4:49 pm #

      She says she is a really quiet and private person, and tends to not look at what is being said about her. She mentions that saying that goes, if a tree falls and no one is there to hear the noise, does it really make a noise? she relates it to believing that if she just doesn’t listen/read at what they say about her, she doesn’t really know if it exists even though it does.

  23. Hope November 17, 2014 at 11:19 pm #

    Lisa, I’m assuming you are referring to HKN new blog. Everything she said was a lie..from Sara not backing down ( she apologized ) to the non-existent kiss at the club with the guy sitting next to them, to the shirt..Rob’s has black buttons and K has white..and finally that K gave Rob a BJ backstage after watching each other present. Lie upon lie.

    Well, when Rob sees Twig again it will all start again. Poor Debbie will have to rack her head with excuses and lies again.

    • Bi-hoe November 18, 2014 at 12:17 am #

      Oh hope she is an absolute nut job !! The only “The End” I want to see is hers 🙂 now that woul be worth reading ! The irony

      • Gemma November 18, 2014 at 1:40 am #

        She also put some tweets “evidencing” RK presence together at HFA backstage, those are FAKES, just look up in twitter for those accounts. @nevinsamuy @fionaleahy.

        It’s not that Sheep have not an ounce of intelligence to check it out, they want to be lied, so HKN will always win with them, but it’s a win based on a huge pile of lies LOL!

  24. MariaM November 18, 2014 at 12:05 am #

    I just tried to read HKN new post but I couldn’t get through it, i started feeling queasy.

  25. Gemma November 18, 2014 at 1:44 am #

    Roberto sighting in Vancouver??? …. 🙂

    #famous #fruit #cake

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  26. MariaM November 18, 2014 at 3:33 am #

    Rob in Vancouver

    Rob couldn’t wait to get back to his girlfriend 🙂

    • Liv November 18, 2014 at 6:17 am #

      But according to MN he’s MIA taking care of the baby while momma is out with her girls??? 😉 How can that be?

      • lisa2222 November 18, 2014 at 1:23 pm #


      • Gemma November 18, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

        Actually Stewie is not partying with her gang any longer. She was at LAX yesterday with her bodyguard, some say she was headed to Paris… who knows…


        As for Rob, I’m taking this sighting with a huge grain of salt. I’ve read many tweets of people who was at Twigs concert and no one mentions Roberto, no pics, nothing so far… Tonight Twigs will be in Seattle.

      • lisa2222 November 18, 2014 at 7:32 pm #

        Oh no Gemma who is watching SP and the plants?????

    • Jaguar November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

      While that looks like him, I’m a little skeptical, only because she was seen all over Seattle with her bandmates, not Rob. Maybe he arrived just in time for the show that night, IDK.

      She’s playing in SF on Thursday night, in a theater that holds 2,300 people. I’ve been to the theater, and there’s no place for him to hide in that audience, he would have to stay backstage if he doesn’t want to be seen.

      She did an NPR radio interview in Seattle today, and after she left the DJ said she left him “speechless,” he was knocked out. She must really ooze charisma in person. The word “desirable” is so applicable in her case. Whoever thinks Rob doesn’t have game needs to think again.

    • just me November 18, 2014 at 7:59 pm #

      Just saw the picture of Robert in Vancouver. I doubt it is him. The side of his head are shaved – and the guy in the blurry pics has hair there and he is sporting a chin beard. Rob was shaved just a fiew days ago.
      I know his hair grows fast but not THIS fast.
      I doubt it is him in the picture. But it could be that he was there.
      Don’t know. Don’t care actually. We know he is not babysitting. 😉
      At least I doubt that he is calling Twigs is babe. We heard him call her sweetheart. 😉

    • just me November 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm #

      I don’t get the drama. She had bared her tiny tits on her former movies. Nothing to look at there and we know she probably did it on purpose in hope it would get her some attention.
      Its just nipples. We all have them. And I have seen a fiew men that have more boobs than her. 😉

      • Jaguar November 18, 2014 at 9:25 pm #

        omg, either Kellan or Taylor have bigger boobage than she does. Garrett Hedlund had a better rack than she did in OTR. She’s built like a 14 year old boy, nothing to look at.

        I know flat-chested women get all offended and defensive, but let’s face reality. She’s not well endowed. However, in Hollywood, any showing of nipples is news. Remember Tara Reid?

        I doubt she did it on purpose, I think she just didn’t care. There is doublestick tape to keep a dress in place, but she couldn’t be bothered to do that. And these nip slip headlines are not the kind that are going to get her an Oscar nomination.

        She’s supposed to be in campaign mode, looking like a serious actress standing next to Julianne Moore. Instead, she made herself into a joke, again. Ruth might as well pack it in. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, no matter how many stylists, make up artists and PR teams you throw at her.

      • lisa2222 November 18, 2014 at 9:41 pm #

        I love how you put things Jaguar lol lol lol

      • lisa2222 November 18, 2014 at 9:42 pm #

        I agree I think it is stupid and it happens to lots of people. Snow ho doesn’t care why should we lol

      • Jaguar November 18, 2014 at 11:01 pm #

        Thanks, Lisa. I actually think she may be an exhibitionist. She’s taken her clothes off with ease in several films, and she had no problem having “sexual relations” so to speak, with Rupert in a public place. Who does that but an exhibitionist?

        And then Rob slyly going on Kimmel and innocently talking about “dogging” in LA. Perfect way to throw shade on her.

        She’s worn ridiculously revealing outfits on the red carpet, with her ass hanging out of that sheer lace dress at the BD2 premiere, and that silly granny panty/bra ensemble at TIFF. She craves attention, I think she’s like black hole of sucking neediness, frankly. She’s never satisfied, she always wants more of whatever it is.

      • lisa2222 November 18, 2014 at 11:04 pm #

        It’s true even after the scandal she didn’t tone it down, if anything she ramped it up. I mean just look at OTR that says it all 😯

  27. MariaM November 18, 2014 at 11:29 pm #

    Got this from Robsessed

    Excerpt from a recent interview with USA TODAY:

    Despite the critical acclaim that met LP1, Twigs has also encountered an uglier side of fame since stepping out with reported boyfriend Robert Pattinson, of Twilight fame, in September. Faced with floods of racist remarks and death threats on Twitter, and swarmed by paparazzi, she has since taken a step back from social media — after all, she says, she has no control over the online venom of “14-year-old kids that should be in bed” — but she still finds the constant attention difficult.

    “I really enjoy the fun of putting something out and people liking it or hating it or talking about it, but vacuous attention, it feels disgusting. It’s like a hangover,” she says. “It’s weird, I know that’s not really because of me or what I’m doing,” but nevertheless, “the positivity that I get from (my relationship) makes the more challenging aspects … very worth it.”

    • Gemma November 19, 2014 at 1:32 am #

      This girl has a pair of ovaries haha. and who can blame her for thinking that “14 years old teens” are behind the nasty remarks she’s getting? Sorry for teens but nobody would ever think that mothers or grandmothers could act like crazy bitches bashing her, because they want Rob with someone who cheated with a director double her age. Demential.

      There’s a GossipCop board about this interview and you can imagine the variety of comments it’s getting… 😀

      Thaliah is proud of her relationship, she can talk about the positive aspects she’s getting through it and still be private and respectful. What a difference from someone who brags about being the honest actress on earth and yet had an extra marital affair with Rupert Sanders.

      • MariaM November 19, 2014 at 3:02 am #

        Little does Twigs know that these hateful comments are being made by grown ass women, mothers, grandmothers.

    • lisa2222 November 19, 2014 at 1:16 pm #

      Awww she thinks Rob is worth it that is amazing. And yes it is grown ass hags making these comments, who should be locked up in a mental hospital…

  28. Gemma November 19, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    Stewie has been in Paris, apparently shooting a commercial for Chanel… Today she was seen at Paris airport.

    Tomorrow Twigs has a concert in San Francisco, isn’t it near LA?

    • Thatgirl November 19, 2014 at 9:56 am #

      SF is 8 hours north of Los Angeles by car or 1 by plane.

      • Gemma November 19, 2014 at 3:14 pm #

        Thanks Thatgirl!

        I just thought that maybe Roberto would fly to SF and then come back to LA with Thaliah since she has a couple of concerts over there… or perhaps he is staying in LA till she goes there, so she can give her concerts without the hordes of papzz who always follow him.

    • lisa2222 November 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm #

      Oh God that is going to be one hot mess of a commercial :/

    • just me November 19, 2014 at 4:13 pm #

      The only question left is – why don’t they cheapen their clothes insteat of burning money?

    • Jaguar November 19, 2014 at 4:25 pm #

      Stewie was only in Paris for one day, I doubt she shot a commercial, they take longer than that. Probably just another photo shoot, like the first one she did in those silly cowboy and Native American costumes.

      I’m betting Rob will be in SF for Tahliah’s show on Thursday. SF is a fun town, and he can accompany her back to LA. I’m hoping a fan spots them out shopping around Union Square or in some vintage store on Thursday before her show.

      And I love Tahliah’s comment about how Rob’s worth it. She manages to slay HKN and remain classy while doing it, with her comments about her “14 year old” haters. That’s the problem. Even if they’re 57 years old, they have the immaturity of a 14 year old.

    • Liv November 20, 2014 at 2:01 am #

      Come on, like anyone in Paris would notice her sorry ass (even wearing a cap) anyway… Why would you hide under a coat when there’s practically no one watching you if it wasn’t for wanting to attract even more attention?

  29. lisa2222 November 19, 2014 at 3:54 pm #

    Awwwww she really likes him;)

    • just me November 19, 2014 at 4:12 pm #

      Well well well…. Looks like HKN needs to swim in aloevera now.


      • lisa2222 November 19, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

        Yea she needs to eat crow!

    • MariaM November 20, 2014 at 3:15 am #

      wow, love this! And it doesn’t sound like BS.

  30. Marin November 19, 2014 at 7:43 pm #

    Looks like Rob is still looking for a place in New York according to this story http://usa.thetruth24.com/post.aspx?id=100066 It’s a nice place, very private but extremely expensive, I don’t really see Rob spending $20 million for a house but hey, maybe he’ll prove me wrong 🙂

  31. Gemma November 20, 2014 at 3:39 pm #

    Several Roberto’s sightings in San Francisco!

    Sam @thesamgraves · 11 min hace 11 minutos
    Soooo…Robert Pattinson is in my coffee shop right now…nbd…

    Mahogony Corley ‏@MiaohshitCorley 19m19 minutes ago
    Robert Pattinson is eating my breakfast right now !!! My life

    Guess who gives a concert tonight in San Francisco???

    • lisa2222 November 20, 2014 at 7:26 pm #

      I knew he would go HKN is such a fucktard LOL

  32. Jaguar November 20, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

    Two separate tweets place Rob in SF this morning (as I predicted):

    Sam @thesamgraves
    Soooo…Robert Pattinson is in my coffee shop right now…nbd…

    Robert Pattinson is eating my breakfast right now !!! My life

  33. Gemma November 20, 2014 at 3:51 pm #

    Roberto’s fan pic in San Francisco! Is his hair shorter??? He looks happy….

    Mahogony Corley @MiaohshitCorley · 7 min Hace 7 minutos
    Excuse my excited face, he said he highly enjoyed his breakfast unexpected mission COMPLETE


    • Missy November 20, 2014 at 11:47 pm #

      OMG. Look at her face. She looks thrilled. I love it.

  34. MariaM November 20, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

    It does look like Rob cut his hair really short. I can’t wait to see more pics and what excuse the queen of the shippers comes up with this time

  35. Hope November 20, 2014 at 9:50 pm #

    So Rob was at Seattle and Vancouver show too..fan picture from Seattle. If it was PR. Why would he stay hidden in these cities? He sure must be crazy about her.
    Thanksgiving together? HKN will have a coronary! And it’s SP first Thanksgiving?.. Where’s Daddy?

    • lisa2222 November 20, 2014 at 10:12 pm #

      Brits don’t celebrate Thanksgiving so I am sure they will be together just to be together 😉

    • MariaM November 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm #

      Are the pics on twitter? because I couldn’t find them.

      While Kris was in Paris they were all saying that Rob was home taking care of ‘sweet pea’, but he’s been by Twigs side this whole time.

      • Missy November 20, 2014 at 11:20 pm #

        I didn’t see any pics and I don’t think he was in Vancouver or Seattle. I live in Vancouver and the paps hound him here. I think if he was here we would’ve had pap pics. I also don’t think that one pic from the venue was him, JMO. I do believe he met up with her in SF and that’s why we have a clear pic and I’ll be surprised if there are no pap pics from SF. LA will also be big a big pic time. They seem to like to spend time together and I think that’s nice.

      • just me November 21, 2014 at 9:59 am #

        I am with you on this one Missy.
        Especially with the new pic. It is visible that the sides of his head are still clean shaved and the pic from Vancouve has shown a man with hair on the side and a beart on the chin.
        Maybe he was there but the man in the picture was not him.

    • Jaguar November 21, 2014 at 4:58 am #

      I totally called this, down to shopping in a vintage store. These two are getting predictable, which means they’re having a normal relationship.

      “Rob and Tahliah were seen in San Francisco’s Mission district today, shopping at a vintage store, the Painted Bird. An observer reported: “They were in the store Painted Bird. She was trying on tight leather pants and was with all their English friends and saw them making out outside.”

      Sounds like Sam may have been with them. They seem to have avoided the paps, Rob is getting really good at that.

      There were two separate sightings of Rob in Vancouver, and one in Seattle, but no clear pics, so people don’t believe he was there. Since she was seen at the airport without him, I tend to believe he wasn’t there either, but it’s hard to say for sure. During all that time there were no sightings of him in LA, and he usually goes out one or two nights a week if he’s there.

      She has shows in LA on Friday and Saturday, so I guess they will be christening his new house this weekend. I’m sure they will spend Thanksgiving together, even if Brits don’t celebrate. I think she has a show in Austin around that time, and Austin is music city, so that’s a good place for them to hang out anyway.

      • MariaM November 21, 2014 at 5:11 am #

        “During all that time there were no sightings of him in LA, and he usually goes out one or two nights a week if he’s there.”

        But…But…. Rob was home babysitting sweet peeaaa!!! LOL!

        Rob loves his vintage shops though, good for him.

      • lisa2222 November 21, 2014 at 8:17 am #

        They are so cute together! And love that they took her tour bus back to LA 🙂

  36. Liv November 21, 2014 at 9:23 am #

    I just hate that they keep referring to him as “Edward Cullen”. Come on, Twilight is over and done with! It’s Robert “Fucking” Pattinson! 🙂

    • Gemma November 21, 2014 at 9:51 am #

      For people who don’t follow his career and know him as Twilight’s sparkly vampire, I fear he’ll be always Edward Cullen, at least till a few years go by and he gets to play roles that can overshadow Edward’s.

      Not sure what city Roberto joined Twigs Tour, since, unfortunately it looks like they’re trying to go undercover 😦 There hasn’t surfaced a single Rob&Twigs pic in SF, not even getting in or out of the venue. There’s only this short video where both of them are getting in the bus, allegedly heading to LA.

      • just me November 21, 2014 at 10:02 am #

        I guess the phrase “a ride home” gets a whole new meaning this way…
        I don’t care that he is under cover now. Let him have some private time. I just expect some nice pics from his next movie set

  37. Gemma November 21, 2014 at 1:19 pm #

    Rob pic fan last night at SF Twigs concert. His hair is pretty short..?

    long live cedric diggory

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    • Missy November 21, 2014 at 1:20 pm #

      Yep he looks like he’s buzzed it.

    • kell November 21, 2014 at 2:37 pm #

      Looks a heck of a lot better than before… hopefully the patch is gone too in the back

      • lisa2222 November 21, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

        I love short cropped hair on a guy so this is a good look for him

  38. Sarah November 21, 2014 at 2:25 pm #

    Gigi CullenNovember 21, 2014 at 10:00 AM
    Happy Friday Havenettes! Tina take care of yourself.
    Aaahhh, more business for Rob to take of currently, which shows how responsible and professional he truly is. Those are necessary qualities a person has to have in order to succeed in the field of entertainment. And of course Kris has them too.”

    Rob and Twigs are not romantically associated.. Its purely professional which includes hand holding, kissing, shopping, going on date, and following each other around the globe: snort😷😷😑😑😑
    Now matter whatever he does, he will always be a loyal husband to skank, and doting father of sweetpea. They will never leave their edward/ bella fantasy.
    There is no winning with the shippers.

    • lisa2222 November 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm #

      I truly hope they are just punking people because no one can be that stupid

    • ThatGirl November 21, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

      Since when is it ok for a married man to run around making out with a ‘business associate’? Was it a business meeting when KS was in the car? so Liberty should have been ok and not divorce Rupert?

      FYI…she has handlers and without Rob she would still be on the same path. Her shows were selling out before came on the scene…she was gaining popularity in the indie world.

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