It looks like karma has a bitchface of her own!
We have to wonder how Bob feels about K’s sudden desire to ‘sell’ herself and her relationship with Bob- whatever that may have been.
Reports say that Bob has had enough and that he has changed his phone number a whopping FOUR times! There have been reports the pair have been talking on the phone, but it’s now been claimed they were untrue and Bob is increasingly angry that she keeps getting ahold of his number. His social circle will dwindle even farther as his lauched investigation into who keeps betraying him and giving her his number is threatened to be cut off completely.
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Aww Bob! Do what I do. Stop answering your phone if it’s a number you don’t recognize! 😉
I do that, but my husband likes to answer those unknown callers by talking in his own made up language, its funny as hell.
@Bren: LOL! That’s funny.
Rob should just let Liberty put a new message on his phone that says, “Hi, this is Liberty. Leave a message for Rob at the tone. And oh..if this is KSlut — the next time I see you i”m gonna kick your..” [beep]
If you don’t like the voice at the end of the line,end the call,another option for you Rob.
😆 don’t answer Bob!
Also, I think Bob needs a life coach….I volunteer, he’ll have a new life outlook and new set of balls in no time :lol
And on most phones today u can block numbers,I have done this in the past,and it works like a charm.Hi!!! Miss D,and girlies.Have missed u bunches,but I have been busy Lately.HUSH!! Miss.D. lmao
She could be calling from different numbers though.
And can block all that come in,so she won’t be able to use the same number
*waves* good to see you here Donna!
Aww Donna! 😳 Not a peep. PML!!!
Christ. It’s embarrassing how petty the 3 people (I’m excluding Liberty) involved in this scandal are made out to be.
My ex would ring me up when he was pissed off his arse. I changed the name to ‘DO NOT ANSWER’, made the ring tone ‘To the left, to the left’…and proceeded to laugh my arse off Everytime he’d call.
LOL JJ! I’ve done the SAME thing! Or, just edited his contact info so his calls to go straight to voicemail. This happens with alarming frequency. 😉
yes especialy after armpit licking comment I would never speak to her again…
the armpit comment was just nasty,and she is a sick bitch to even say it true,or not..But I sure hope that Hot Mess didn’t lick her pits!! that’s just eewwww!!!!
Don’t be so free with your number Rob. only give it to friends you can trust,and if it still gets back to her then you have a bad apple in your barrel,find it.!
there is always one bad apple in the barrel.It’s just finding the little bastard and throwing it away,but it can be done.with just a little digging….lmao
another thing he could do to find the “bad apple” is get a couple or three different numbers and give them out to different people and see what number she ends up calling. Then it’s narrowed down to that group.
Yeah, well, it only took R 4 years to weed K out. Lol.
I am laughing my ass off at the media reports saying ‘They are not fine” “There is no reconciliation” could that be Rob’s team??? I mean the girl is crazy I think seriously she should seek help. And the only reason she would want a reconciliation is for her own selfish reasons. She does not want him she wants the protection of being linked to him. She loves no one but herself but hopefully Rob sees this now and moves on for good! I can’t wait to see who their next partners will be 😉
I can’t wait either for the new partners 🙂
She doesn’t have Rob around to embarass and humiliate..so she has taken to her new bodyguard. Imagine how he felt..doing his job with a crowd of people around and having her say..”Don’t fuckin touch me DUDE!!” She needs called out big time. And I don’t mean in a media report that she sees on TV or reads..I want to see it LIVE at an event infront of thousands of people! I want to see her crawl under a rock with embarrasment!!
Can you tell I don’t like the bitch at all?!!
OTF – I couldn’t tell at all! 😆
I know, I was saying the same thing to Donna – her fall from grace makes me far happier than it prolly should. 😉
nah can’t tell at all!
I hope that she does get called out live as well, just NOT while she’s in the direct vicinity of Rob so he doesn’t feel compelled to “protect” her.
Well, the PR team of it all can’t exactly speculate an ‘are they?’ w/o the ‘they aren’t aspect to go back-and-forth with.
after these few days, she show her real face, all these dog cats comments, armpit licking,bodyguard situation, also that video, there she was asked about car, did you see her face? she was like ”i kill you b** for this question” she was all vet..becouse of her reaction to all these questions i think all this thing with Rupert was real..
Agree!
LOL. This is very true…
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I will donate to send her nasty ass there!!
I don’t understand why Bob would have to change is number so many times. Who would be giving it to Stew? Not his friends or family. Of course, this story makes K look even more pathetic, along with all the clothes of lurve, rings etc.
Well while she and her famewhore friends are putting out false stories to feed the frenzy why shouldn’t Rob and his friends 😈
Oh, more power to him, if he wants to help make her look bad. She does a bang up job all by herself, but the more the merrier(for us).
With every step she takes she’s sinks deeper into the mud .l just wonder how long and how many of her influential HW friends will stay the course with her.?
@Alexis: I agree and I’ve always thought she didn’t have a lot of friends period, especially not in the industry — folk in HW don’t like her.
I saw the pics of her disrespecting her bg (nothin’ new) — so again pictures surface of KStew actin’ ‘da fool. Haaa!! She just keeps screwin’ herself ova’ & ova’ & ova’…
her little schizophrenic Sybil outbursts are drivin’ what little fandom she has left into the grrrounnnd….
Go KSybil….goooo!!
Craig Ferguson’s monologue:
“…makes Kristen Stewart ‘Snow White the most homewreckiest of them all'” LOL!
“..the first trailer of the Twilight movie it’s the fourth of the Twilight series …Twilight Tokyo Drift”
Hilarious!
Here’s link:
http://imanonsten.tumblr.com/
OMG – I was dying!
DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it was going to happen I knew it!
Now from the looks of this pic, Walter Salles was proooobably bangin’ the pubic hair off KStew while makin’ On the Road
no arm around KStew – check
no smile – check
no full body contact — check
KStew tootin’ her booty out (what lil’ she has)
movie filmed almost entirely in a car — check, check, checccckkkk
Does her dress have a hole at her armpit? Bahahahaha. Lol. I can’t. Roflmao.
yes, it has 😀 prepared for licking..
Lol yeah I would say awkward on his part but stew looks like someone called a 1-900 # and asked for an escort for the night 😉 ……a really cheap one!!
is she slapping ruth’s hand or pushing her away?????…first snapping at her body guard and now this. ..Bitch has serious issues, she loves treating ppl around her like shit.
here is the video.
She did!
Like a 2yr old lmao!!!
When she crossed her legs at the beginning she looked like she was doing the ‘pee-pee’ stance.
And HOW in the hell are these people not blind with all those flashes!
Hahaha wonder why the change? why no one can touch her? hmm..lol smacking Ruth away andddd her new BG
Rob I’d never give the Skank your number, 😉 lol, she doesn’t have mine I guess you’d be safe. 🙂
WTF…scroll down to post #27117…
http://s1.zetaboards.com/L_Anon/topic/4615005/775/
Seriously,what’s wrong with her?? i hope her team is handsomely paid for putting up with her shit. The girl is a brat.
Looks like she’s saying “f*ck this”? Classy Krissy 😆
Oh..she is def. saying that! What a bitch!! OMG!!! 5 min. thats all I would want..just 5!!! 😉
Hahaha thats what i thought too! …..and why? didnt look like anything provoked it?
Look at the fans faces around her..something def. was going on!!!
The fans aren’t exactly laughing much are they?,but then if KS sauntered past me with that arrogant attitude l wouldn’t be waving any bunting either.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/kristen-stewart-robert-pattinson-teddy-bears
She arrived at the Toronto Film Festival wearing her ex’s old T-shirt, but that isn’t the only home comfort Kristen Stewart brought along for her promotional trip, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
The 22-year-old Twilight star, who walked the red carpet for her latest movie On The Road in Toronto Thursday night, has taken a collection of stuffed animals that former boyfriend Robert Pattinson bought her along for the journey.
Kristen is cuddling up to the plush toys for security and comfort – and hopes they’ll help her get over any nerves she has about appearing in public!
PHOTOS: Take A Look Inside Robert Pattinson And Kristen Stewart’s LA Love Nest
“Kristen is latching on to all the things that she associates with Robert and now she can’t be without her stuffed animals,” a source revealed.
“Over the years, Robert, who was a hopeless romantic, bought Kristen plushies whenever he saw one he thought she would love.
“She is obsessed with them and has them scattered all over her bed; they’re a sweet reminder of how he cared for her.
PHOTOS: Robert Pattinson – Unzipped In New York
“But now, as they’re no longer together, they’ve become more of a security blanket for Kristen, so she took a collection of her favorite teddy bears with her to Toronto.
“She’s missing Robert a lot, and she’s clinging on to her stuffed animals for comfort; Kristen is petrified about facing the public,” the source said.
As RadarOnline.com previously reported, Kristen was having “sleepless nights” in the run-up to the Toronto Film Festival. She was overcome with nerves about her first red carpet appearance since her now infamous cheating scandal and hopes her personal life doesn’t overshadow how the motion picture is received by the critics.
PHOTOS: Kristen Stewart: From L.A. To Toronto
“Kristen hasn’t been able to get a wink of sleep in the run-up to the film festival,” a source revealed.
“Even though members of the media have been strictly told that questions about her cheating scandal are off-limits, she’s been fretting over the film’s premiere.
“She really hopes that the critics are kind to her when it comes to the reviews and they don’t judge her on her personal life.
“On the Road is a project that’s very close to Kristen’s heart. She is a big fan of the original novel by Jack Kerouac and wants the movie to get the praise she thinks it deserves.
“Kristen’s worried that because it opens the festival, a lot is expected of it and just prays that it’s well received,” the source concluded.
I rolled my eyes so much at that article that I think they came out their sockets…Puh-leazeee!! Good job Ruth, good job!
The only thing articles like this do is to make her look even more pathetic than she already does.
Hah agreeeee! It made her look pathetic n desperate
does anyone have one of those brown bags that they hand out on the airlines?
I’ve got a doggy bag,will that do?
Lainey claims the talk of TIFF is that Robsten are back together, but are afraid to “come out”, cause they’re afraid how Rob’s fans will react to him taking back a cheater.
http://www.laineygossip.com/Articles/Details/24566/Jennifer-Lawrence-and-Kristen-Stewart-hang-out-at-TIFF
Lol hmm wonder if Ruth fed that to her…..they hardly let her talk bout the drama…
Yes….
Oh boy, here we go again is right 😯 If he takes her back I can just imagine the meltdown by his fans.
Lol I’d say any new and potential fans too lol…that’s a turn off for alotttttt of ppl…taking back a cheater
Exactly but look how it is keeping the story alive :roll:. And if Boob wanted to put an end to it he could……. just saying to date he chooses not to.Oh thats right COSMO is out and he wants his legion of fans to carry on buying those tickets………..
True Rachel,
Until its gone, then games until bd2 promo… Then … Well.. I’ll just stop there…
Lol true!!! Lol I think I would have already said something….ESP with armpit licking stuff….nastyyy
He should be afraid very afraid……
There’s new buzz about KStew havin’ hooked up with James Franco — hope he doubled up on condoms:
_______________________
“Kristen Stewart moving on from Robert Pattinson with James Franco?”
http://www.examiner.com/article/kristen-stewart-moving-on-from-robert-pattinson-with-james-franco
_______________________
“Kristen Stewart, James Franco Hookup in Toronto; Believe It?”
http://www.theimproper.com/45848/kristen-stewart-james-franco-hookup-it
_______________________
“James Franco: Kristen Stewart’s Next R-Patz?!”
http://perezhilton.com/2012-09-10-james-franco-kristen-stewart-caught-flirting-together-tiff-soho-house
The only way to keep the attention on either of them is the” are they,aren’t they” quiz game,once BD2 is over neither of them have much to shout about,that’s why l very much doubt this game is going to go away quickly or quietly.
It’s publicity stunt to save Shrew’s career, all this they are back together planted stories, and Lainey is definitely fed by Shrew’s publicst.
Mister Private on the other hand remain the coward who reacts instead of acts and therefore will always be ” The sparkly doormat”.
Oh have you heard of Robert Pattinson’s serious career?- Me neither.
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Click, ita!
Post of the day Click. All this. We all guessed on this board it would get dirty and this is only the start. Lets watch her team trample all over him. Really sad but very inevitable.
Yep. I don’t understand why his team is not being more proactive. They just stay quiet and let her team run the show, how come?
It could have been avoided….say 4yrs ago if he’d been honest about the non-relay.
Only butch dominant narcississts would be attracted to a spinless submissive man(though with chopped balls).
I mean who would be interested in a guy who lets you walk over him, humilate him, treat him like shit. No backbone. he can’t even keep an argument with her instead of he lets her win the fights even though she is a stuttering fool.
Wonder why nick doesn’t say anything….since he doesn’t have a publicist
“The sparkly doormat” that is his career Click!
I agree!! Bob is the only one who can stop this but we all know he won’t cause no one really cares about him or his career outside of Twishit.
I agree with all you girls. ! I have never understood his team but I think its Boob that makes the choices and aren’t they looking great. 🙄
What about that publicist he was gonna hire? Was that just BS? Or does he just giggle about being thought of as a pitlicker? Whether she was referring to Rup or not, her “public, but oh so private, English bf is Rob. And now he’s going to let Lainey patch them back together. What a little bitch. smh
Lmao…..my thoughts exactly Diana!!
OMG Click post of the day. What little he gained he will lose all of it!!!!
If he’d played his cards right with those aces he had just been given he could have won the game,but no he had to turn them into jokers.
There’s only one driving force in his life: MONEY
Really, he needs money for booze, drugs and keeping his BritPack close to him since they live off him. He has no sense for self respect or dignity. No pride or ambition. he lives his live like a joke and he has become one only he thinks people laugh at his ridiculous stories instead they laough him out for being made a fool in front of the world by a spoiled Hollywood brat.
I agree 😉
Add to that socially awkward…money can’t buy confidence.
Really they are a match made in PRsten.
He talked about getting alot of shit on him, he has done this to himself and she shovels it all over him.
Yet again click, ita!
Taking that girl back would make him even more of joke as well as his career. I mean it was not just a rumor there are pictures. And most (not the crazy sheep) will know it is PR. So the question is who fed it to Lainey and do they have an agenda?
My guess MIHML/Ruth
I agree Lisa . How many times have we said she makes him look a fool . She lied to him, probably for a while, embarrasses him at every opporunity and lets not forget what she was doing while he was on his birthday skateboard, in his birthday outfit. 🙄
http://www.popsugar.com/Robert-Pattinson-26th-Birthday-Pictures-23085713#Robert-Pattinson-26th-Birthday-Pictures-23085713?slide=2&_suid=1347313318364014776710887213795
What a twat. There he is on his skateboard and she is bangin Rupert.
Rob Hello, hello, hello, hello
KS: I am like fuckin, getting my hair done dude,
Rob: Oh right see you in a min
KS: Like fuckin practice some moves dude on the board
Rob: OK………..
KS: Like try some flips, go up and round the car park. The extensions in my hair dude, like fuckin take ages.
Rob: OK…………..
KS: Dude make sure your laces are double knotted as you will look like a fuckin idiot if you fall.
Rob: OK…….
Bingo Alexisis he had his out, his ace in the whole and if he takes her back GAME OVER for good this time. Hope BF is worth all that.
Wow, I really wanted to be wrong but, I guess it looks like they are back together then?
That’s what Lainey is being fed
Exactly Kelli. I am sure Lainey’s quotes will be viral by the end of the day.
I was checking ONTD and most posters there think she’s probably right because she has an in with Kristen’s pr people. If it’s true then it’s really sad.
Lainey is reporting what Shrew’s team wants the public to believe, the question is do you believe what Shrew wants you to think?
Yeah, but if it was not true then Rob’s people would come out and say so. Why do it if it was false; it doesn’t make sense.
His people never said anything instead they let Shrew and Summit run with every Robsten fiction they needed at the moment. He allowed her and her people to portray him as her doormat, the weak pussy whipped real life Edward.He won’t change that now .
Lol his “people” is just Nick…n nick has never really said much..my question is….if all is fine…why is he subtley throwing digs at her in his Interviews..hmm lol….idk how u girls have kept up with this since the beginning lol…giving me a huge headache tryin to follow
I think there’s a reason Lainey kept her options open in that post.
Rumour is that R and K have “reunited”–> So, they’re maybe/maybe not back together.
But he’s afraid of fan backlash–> So, there may be/may be not proof of them maybe/maybe not being back together.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhhhttttt.
@kelli, and kristen’s comments about being a dog person, she looked mad when she said it. When did they get back together when he was in london and she flew to canada like a couple of days later? He left a couple of days after the dogging comments on kimmel. How do you get over a public humiliation of this magnitude in just 4-5 weeks? Nothing makes sense tbh.
Lol agreeee JJ! She def left her options open with how she worded it…..n yesss Sarita…when would they? N almost like it was planned when they flew out and in
Lol bring on the wine….Lainey’s article has hit my timeline n sheep are jumpin up n down …..lol I need. Bottle of wine…screw just having a glass lol…..def makes it seem like Lainey gets fed from k’s team
@J J: But she didn’t word it like that though. She was quite emphatic about what she said an left herself no wiggle room:
This is what she wrote:
And what of Robsten?
Stewart was asked at TIFF about whether or not she and Robert Pattinson would be ok promoting Twilight 5 together or something. And her response was:
“We’re going to be fine. We’re totally fine.”
So as you can imagine, all the Twi-Hards are like, HOW DO WE INTERPRET THIS ARE THEY BACK TOGETHER JUST TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. It was communicated to people during TIFF that they are but they’re worried about how it might affect his career, like whether or not there will be some kind of crazy backlash or something. There’s an anthropological discussion here, you know, if you want to explore it. That for some of his more unhinged following, it would be worse for him to take back a girl who was unfaithful than to be unfaithful himself. Fascinating, isn’t it? And so we’re back to where we’ve always been with these two, and before a movie premiere. Are they? Aren’t they? Are they? Aren’t they? They are.
Re: sarita
I disagree. The “but they’re worried about how it might effect his career” is the perfect out. If these two are “caught” mucking about in the future, then it’s b/c their “love” overrules their careers. If these two aren’t ever captured “together,” it’s not that they aren’t together but that he’s “afraid” of the fan backlash.
Aren’t you curious about the statement: “it was communicated to people during TIFF.” Who is communicating to whom…and better yet, why? One option: K’s team…and IMO there’s proof that they (and K, herself) are not above blatant lying…what’s one more.
As ? has posted: “Guess people forget that wasn’t even a fact before the outing of the ‘affair’” People in the media stated it as fact those two were together w/o a statement from either confirming such, they’re even claiming they’ve broken up w/o legitimate proof, so they prob have no qualms of stating they’ve reunited again w/o any facts to base it off…the cycle will continue.
@JJ:
“Aren’t you curious about the statement: “it was communicated to people during TIFF.” Who is communicating to whom…and better yet, why?”
Yes actually I am very curious about this because it seems odd that anyone in the know would be out randomly communicating this information. There’s an obvious agenda but the whole thing seems off. So far, this story has not been picked up by anyone, not even by gossip cop. What do you make of that?
Re: sarita
I’ll give it time.
Kinda funny they say it all went down when he n his team aren’t there tho lol….not that they would’ve said anything tho
Who knows.. And that’s assuming they ever were together… As a real couple…
Guess people forget that wasn’t even a fact before the outing of the ‘affair’… IMHO of course..
I haven’t forgotten.
@? Exactly!
How “back together” can they be if they’re so worried about his fans’ reaction, instead of just being worried about building their “relationship” back up?
Agreeeee!
That’s a really good point.
@ Click..You’ve got that spot on.!
I know, as KShrew would say, “I’m fucking amazed at my own amazingness”.
What happened to all those other sidelines he wanted to do,music, cut a disc,write a film script,and l’m sure one time he was supposedly composing for a film,doubt now if any of these will ever come to fruition.His boat has sailed.
Sailed off to twit land with the shrew.. Sounds like a party boat I’d want to be on…NOT!!
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Girls, this isn’t sad, it would be if it were about serious honorable people who morally strayed away from the right path. It’s a comedy with players who themselves aren’t aware how ridicoulus they look when they act so serious yet behave like clowns. I’m laughing at this and wondering if this guy has a limit at how big of joke he has become or if he will continue to sink with her. My guess two years ago was right he will sink with the ship named ” KSlut”.
Either there’s dead space between his ears or she’s the controller and he likes it.
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If Rob’s side stays silent on this then they are back together.
Yep. And BD2 promo starts in 3…2…1…
No one can assume anything… The guy is a perpetual liar..
But feel free to believe whatever you choose…
The boy likes his fans on opposite sides and at each others throats….no wonder he pals with k… And allegedly adopted a pit bull mix…
And then sits back and giggles….
Wine and popcorn …. Shits and giggles….all for fun… All the way around, including booby and k.. Imho
as always ?, you nailed it…..I think with all the wine that’s been passed around here lately we could start are own vinyard 😉
😳 *vineyard*
Lol geeee have u been into the wine again Bren 😛 lol kidddding…..please share 🙂
Kelli, about to start and I always share 🙂
Hahah wooo 🙂 almost surprised I haven’t seen Lainey’s little article floating in my timeline on twitter yet….lmao
nah bob just enjoys playing the game.
‘Twinkle’ fans are so fickle…they’re very jump on the bandwagon-y. I really don’t think R would have to worry of legit backlash, if they reunited.
I don’t think he’s worried about backlash either.
His side always stays silent, it wont change now. Bob likes the game and it’s not gonna stop now because it’s what keeps him relevant. If he had an ounce of dignity he would had said years ago ‘Yes we are dating but we want our privacy” instead he just played this sick game in which has caused people to lose friendships, death threats and threats in general to innocent people (Nikki Reed for example). They are BOTH gonna keep this going for as long as they can, K’s camp will continue to play the “they are back together but don’t want people to know” and he’s gonna keep playing the “I have to change my number a million times cause she won’t quit calling”.
I think he’s only “refusing her calls” for the time being-the time that Cosmo is still making the rounds
Yep, I bet we’ll start seeing those date nights with a gazillion of people at the beginning of October.
Agreed Diana;)
Yep. What I wonder is if after BD2 this will continue since without Robsten neither one grabs the public’s attention that much.
Okay this would actually make me sick if he DOES get back with her even if it IS for the showmance. I mean really? Does he NOT see the avalanche waiting to happen?
Amy Poehler and Will Arnett are divorcing?!?!
http://twitpic.com/atbbt7
From her premiere in NYC?…lol..back to the smokey eyes!
please leave spew, here in N.Y we cannot stand you.
Holy cow.
Oh boy. Open toe shoes and pants she wore a few days ago. Does anyone think she washed the pants, or her feet? *gagging*
well she probably woke up in those pants and did not even shower just kept them on since yesterday when she got on the plane. Barfff
haha….gah thought i was going nuts….was like hmm those pants look like the same ones she wore on the plane…or going to NY…hmm lol
Oh and she has the necklace OUTSIDE of her shirt – BITCH. She is so skanky I’d much rather have a run in with a rabid skunk than her.
Haha..looks like she is missing a tooth!! ;p….lol!!!
http://twitpic.com/atbbep
Eeeeeekkkk!!!!!!
http://m.justjared.com/pl/2012/09/10/kristen-stewart-on-the-road-new-york-screening/
Is it possible that the Lainey insider news is bs? This is the only publication that has made any reference to the story so far as I can tell:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/are-kristen-stewart-and-robert-pattinson-back-together-1.950768
Wouldn’t Gossip Cop normally be all over this?
hahah yess thats what surprises me…GC isnt all over it…i still think K’s team is feeding stuff to Lainey…who is her source? who would be talking about it at TIFF?
Kelli: it just doesn’t make sense to me that they got back together, Rob actually looked better than he had in ages after the scandal, seemingly got a whole new wardrobe, made a lot of little digs at KS’s expense and now they’re back together? Either lainey is way off or there is something very odd going on. Other gossip sites must be trying to get confirmation from Rob’s side before going with the story. I think if it were true gc would say so, but i’m not sure they would disprove it cause it’s in summit’s interest for this story to be true. maybe that’s how they’re gonna play it from now on. there will be no confirmation or denial and make everyone wonder.
Shrew have her pushup on?
http://www.vanityfair.com/video/2012/09/1830041491001?mbid=social_twitter
lol…n to me…its almost like shes looking at the ring…begging the interviewer to mention something…shes trying to get stuff steering